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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello everybody my name is Tom i&#039;m 32 years old. This website 
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://www.imrah.org/2008/06/heads-or-tails/comment-page-1/#comment-2727</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

I have come across your website while looking into the whole matter of head covering, which seems to have equally persuasive arguments both for and against it. I&#039;ve found your explanation to be very interesting and thought-provoking. Personally, at this point, I believe it is a matter of what God is speaking to a woman about covering or not and certainly not a salvation issue. And right now God is speaking to me about it and I&#039;m trying to discern just what He is saying. 

In my study of this matter, I decided it was important to know just what &#039;head&#039; Paul is talking about.  I had a difficult time reasoning from your explanation that &#039;head&#039; is meant figuratively when it comes to covering because according to my Strong&#039;s Concordance, the same Greek word for head is used for each instance of head in vs 3-10:  2776, kephale, which is literally or figuratively &#039;head&#039;. So, if you can translate head either literally OR figuratively,  how does one know which use of head is meant in each instance? If you replace head with authority, it makes sense in many places, but there are several places where that makes no sense at all. If someone can translate head to mean a literal or figurative head any way they wish, it seems they can make this passage fit either argument. 

Also, in searching Strong&#039;s regarding cover, as in vs 7 and also covered in vs 6,  the Greek word there means &quot;to cover wholly, i.e. veil: cover, hide&quot;; and covering in vs 15 it means &quot;something thrown around one, i.e. a mantle, veil: covering, vesture&quot;...(vesture means clothing, apparel, something that covers or cloaks.) This would lead me to believe Paul is actually referring to something that literally covers the head, such as a cloth. Covered, in vs 4...I did not understand the entry in Strong&#039;s for that one, but found it interesting that it &quot;frequently denotes opposition, distribution, or intensity.&quot;  Certainly there is opposition to this, and both sides can present equally intense arguments for their respective cases!

I&#039;m really not trying to be difficult here, only trying to understand what God&#039;s Word says. I&#039;m no biblical scholar, and the Strong&#039;s is a new tool for me so I am learning how to use it. Can you enlighten me on how you (or anyone for that matter) decide when head is literal and when it is figurative in this passage? Also, can you provide insight on the Greek translations of the various forms of cover used, such as how a form of cover that means a literal piece of clothing or apparel is interchangeable with a woman&#039;s hair, which is a part of her physical body? Thank you so much for writing this, and for any insight you can give me on this matter. I only desire to follow God&#039;s leading, and He seems to be leading me to cover, at least for a season. I don&#039;t understand why, other than perhaps to help me learn more about submission, but if this is truly what He wants me to do, I want to be obedient. This is a personal matter for me, not one that is being forced upon me by my husband or church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I have come across your website while looking into the whole matter of head covering, which seems to have equally persuasive arguments both for and against it. I&#8217;ve found your explanation to be very interesting and thought-provoking. Personally, at this point, I believe it is a matter of what God is speaking to a woman about covering or not and certainly not a salvation issue. And right now God is speaking to me about it and I&#8217;m trying to discern just what He is saying. </p>
<p>In my study of this matter, I decided it was important to know just what &#8216;head&#8217; Paul is talking about.  I had a difficult time reasoning from your explanation that &#8216;head&#8217; is meant figuratively when it comes to covering because according to my Strong&#8217;s Concordance, the same Greek word for head is used for each instance of head in vs 3-10:  2776, kephale, which is literally or figuratively &#8216;head&#8217;. So, if you can translate head either literally OR figuratively,  how does one know which use of head is meant in each instance? If you replace head with authority, it makes sense in many places, but there are several places where that makes no sense at all. If someone can translate head to mean a literal or figurative head any way they wish, it seems they can make this passage fit either argument. </p>
<p>Also, in searching Strong&#8217;s regarding cover, as in vs 7 and also covered in vs 6,  the Greek word there means &#8220;to cover wholly, i.e. veil: cover, hide&#8221;; and covering in vs 15 it means &#8220;something thrown around one, i.e. a mantle, veil: covering, vesture&#8221;&#8230;(vesture means clothing, apparel, something that covers or cloaks.) This would lead me to believe Paul is actually referring to something that literally covers the head, such as a cloth. Covered, in vs 4&#8230;I did not understand the entry in Strong&#8217;s for that one, but found it interesting that it &#8220;frequently denotes opposition, distribution, or intensity.&#8221;  Certainly there is opposition to this, and both sides can present equally intense arguments for their respective cases!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not trying to be difficult here, only trying to understand what God&#8217;s Word says. I&#8217;m no biblical scholar, and the Strong&#8217;s is a new tool for me so I am learning how to use it. Can you enlighten me on how you (or anyone for that matter) decide when head is literal and when it is figurative in this passage? Also, can you provide insight on the Greek translations of the various forms of cover used, such as how a form of cover that means a literal piece of clothing or apparel is interchangeable with a woman&#8217;s hair, which is a part of her physical body? Thank you so much for writing this, and for any insight you can give me on this matter. I only desire to follow God&#8217;s leading, and He seems to be leading me to cover, at least for a season. I don&#8217;t understand why, other than perhaps to help me learn more about submission, but if this is truly what He wants me to do, I want to be obedient. This is a personal matter for me, not one that is being forced upon me by my husband or church.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidharth Mohandas</title>
		<link>http://www.imrah.org/2008/06/heads-or-tails/comment-page-1/#comment-1842</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidharth Mohandas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your insightful comments, Bob. I agree with you on the general order of authority within the church, and that woman in general must be under the covering of a man. And of course, if she&#039;s married, her head is her husband. 

The paramount is love. Love builds, knowledge puffs up (1 Corinthians 8:1). I may know the truth about covering of head, and in turn condemn a fellow brother/sister who believes that one should use a physical veil. Paul&#039;s instruction in 1 Cor 8-10 and Romans 14 gives us the right attitude to such menial issues: one person believes it is physical head covering, another believes its not. But how do things change if you wear a veil? (Not that I believe in wearing a physical veil)

My mother, though she knows the truth about &quot;head&quot; covering. When she&#039;s in a group that believes that women should cover their head with a veil, she does so. Because whats more important is love. 

Thanks again for your comment.

Sidharth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your insightful comments, Bob. I agree with you on the general order of authority within the church, and that woman in general must be under the covering of a man. And of course, if she&#8217;s married, her head is her husband. </p>
<p>The paramount is love. Love builds, knowledge puffs up (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Corinthians+8%3A1" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Corinthians 8:1" target="_new">1 Corinthians 8:1</a>). I may know the truth about covering of head, and in turn condemn a fellow brother/sister who believes that one should use a physical veil. Paul&#8217;s instruction in <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Cor+8-10" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Cor 8-10" target="_new">1 Cor 8-10</a> and <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Romans+14" class="bibleref" title="ESV Romans 14" target="_new">Romans 14</a> gives us the right attitude to such menial issues: one person believes it is physical head covering, another believes its not. But how do things change if you wear a veil? (Not that I believe in wearing a physical veil)</p>
<p>My mother, though she knows the truth about &#8220;head&#8221; covering. When she&#8217;s in a group that believes that women should cover their head with a veil, she does so. Because whats more important is love. </p>
<p>Thanks again for your comment.</p>
<p>Sidharth</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://www.imrah.org/2008/06/heads-or-tails/comment-page-1/#comment-1841</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it was well stated...vs. 3 is the topic and the answer to this topic. Whether a woman physically covers her head is a personal choice.  But, remember Pauls words...anything we do not fully convinced in our own minds is sin.

So, if we do anything before God in honor to Him, is good.  I want to always keep in true doctrinal message. Sid, you have.  Yes ,we can debate whether these verses are refering to the married or nonmarried, But in the end, we must always , as you words led me to believe you are, keep focused on solid doctrinal truths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it was well stated&#8230;vs. 3 is the topic and the answer to this topic. Whether a woman physically covers her head is a personal choice.  But, remember Pauls words&#8230;anything we do not fully convinced in our own minds is sin.</p>
<p>So, if we do anything before God in honor to Him, is good.  I want to always keep in true doctrinal message. Sid, you have.  Yes ,we can debate whether these verses are refering to the married or nonmarried, But in the end, we must always , as you words led me to believe you are, keep focused on solid doctrinal truths.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://www.imrah.org/2008/06/heads-or-tails/comment-page-1/#comment-1840</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some recent commentators have suggested that the Greek words for &quot;man&quot; and &quot;woman&quot; used here (???? and ????) may be understood in the limited sense of &quot;husband and wife,&quot; but for several reasons it is better to understand the whole discussion as pertaining to the relationship between the sexes in general. Ordinarily a pronoun is used with the Greek words when they have the sense &quot;husband&quot; and &quot;wife&quot; (i.e. her man means her husband, and his woman means his wife), but there is no pronoun here. It is very unlikely that Paul is referring only to married men when he says &quot;Every man who prays or prophesies with anything down over his head dishonors his head&quot; in verse 4, and if ???? does not mean &quot;husband&quot; there, we would not expect ???? to mean &quot;wife&quot; in the following verse. We would expect the terms to be correlated in sense when they occur together — either &quot;man and woman&quot; or &quot;husband and wife,&quot; but not &quot;man and wife&quot; or &quot;husband and woman.&quot; Paul proceeds to make arguments based not upon the special circumstances of marriage but upon creation and the very nature of woman. The analogy he draws between the headcovering and the long hair of women (verses 6 and 15) would apply to all women. It does not make sense to limit the meaning of ???? to &quot;wife&quot; in the phrase, &quot;since it is disgraceful for a ???? to be shorn or shaven&quot; (verse 6), and so the conclusion, &quot;let her be covered&quot; cannot be restricted to married women either. In verse 12 the phrase ? ???? ??? ??? ???????? cannot mean &quot;the husband is born through the wife.&quot; It should also be kept in mind that in ancient times single women were not independent, but under the authority of their fathers (unmarried women did not live alone, and the only independent women were the hetaerae — prostitutes of the upper class). Even if it is felt that Paul must have in mind the marriage relationship here, it should be understood that this relationship is paradigmatic of the relationship of men to women generally (3)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some recent commentators have suggested that the Greek words for &#8220;man&#8221; and &#8220;woman&#8221; used here (???? and ????) may be understood in the limited sense of &#8220;husband and wife,&#8221; but for several reasons it is better to understand the whole discussion as pertaining to the relationship between the sexes in general. Ordinarily a pronoun is used with the Greek words when they have the sense &#8220;husband&#8221; and &#8220;wife&#8221; (i.e. her man means her husband, and his woman means his wife), but there is no pronoun here. It is very unlikely that Paul is referring only to married men when he says &#8220;Every man who prays or prophesies with anything down over his head dishonors his head&#8221; in verse 4, and if ???? does not mean &#8220;husband&#8221; there, we would not expect ???? to mean &#8220;wife&#8221; in the following verse. We would expect the terms to be correlated in sense when they occur together — either &#8220;man and woman&#8221; or &#8220;husband and wife,&#8221; but not &#8220;man and wife&#8221; or &#8220;husband and woman.&#8221; Paul proceeds to make arguments based not upon the special circumstances of marriage but upon creation and the very nature of woman. The analogy he draws between the headcovering and the long hair of women (verses 6 and 15) would apply to all women. It does not make sense to limit the meaning of ???? to &#8220;wife&#8221; in the phrase, &#8220;since it is disgraceful for a ???? to be shorn or shaven&#8221; (verse 6), and so the conclusion, &#8220;let her be covered&#8221; cannot be restricted to married women either. In verse 12 the phrase ? ???? ??? ??? ???????? cannot mean &#8220;the husband is born through the wife.&#8221; It should also be kept in mind that in ancient times single women were not independent, but under the authority of their fathers (unmarried women did not live alone, and the only independent women were the hetaerae — prostitutes of the upper class). Even if it is felt that Paul must have in mind the marriage relationship here, it should be understood that this relationship is paradigmatic of the relationship of men to women generally (3)</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila/Bluebirdy</title>
		<link>http://www.imrah.org/2008/06/heads-or-tails/comment-page-1/#comment-775</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheila/Bluebirdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sidarth; it&#039;s just me. I am impressed that you got your own website! Congrats. It&#039;s just wonderful and I just love all of your knowledge and writings. I am going to try to find time to read all of your posts and comments. You really are blessed with a special gift! Thankyou for helping make the world a better place.
Blessings, Sheila</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sidarth; it&#8217;s just me. I am impressed that you got your own website! Congrats. It&#8217;s just wonderful and I just love all of your knowledge and writings. I am going to try to find time to read all of your posts and comments. You really are blessed with a special gift! Thankyou for helping make the world a better place.<br />
Blessings, Sheila</p>
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		<title>By: Sidharth Mohandas</title>
		<link>http://www.imrah.org/2008/06/heads-or-tails/comment-page-1/#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidharth Mohandas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isaiah, 

Again let me make it very clear to you...the passage in 1 Cor 11 is not referring to women in general, but a husband-wife relationship. 

You asked me who a single woman should be submissive to, and I explained in my previous comment that that is not the focus in this passage. However, if the single woman is under some authority she should be submissive to it. The same applies to men who are under some authority. 

Paul in &lt;b&gt;this passage&lt;/b&gt;, however, is not dealing with single women or men. He has focused his instructions on husbands and wives. 

I think it is wise not to deviate from it for the time being.

Sidharth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isaiah, </p>
<p>Again let me make it very clear to you&#8230;the passage in <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Cor+11" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Cor 11" target="_new">1 Cor 11</a> is not referring to women in general, but a husband-wife relationship. </p>
<p>You asked me who a single woman should be submissive to, and I explained in my previous comment that that is not the focus in this passage. However, if the single woman is under some authority she should be submissive to it. The same applies to men who are under some authority. </p>
<p>Paul in <b>this passage</b>, however, is not dealing with single women or men. He has focused his instructions on husbands and wives. </p>
<p>I think it is wise not to deviate from it for the time being.</p>
<p>Sidharth</p>
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		<title>By: Isaiah</title>
		<link>http://www.imrah.org/2008/06/heads-or-tails/comment-page-1/#comment-773</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In which case, the case of submission does not apply only to women but men as well as in submission to authority, does it not?

I&#039;m not intentionally being picky here, but the point in your post was about the woman being submissive to her husband which equates covering her head (with his authority) as she is under the lordship of her husband. 

That&#039;s where I have an issue reconciling your explanation on the head covering with its application across the board for all women in the Corinthian church.

Shalom Aleichem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In which case, the case of submission does not apply only to women but men as well as in submission to authority, does it not?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not intentionally being picky here, but the point in your post was about the woman being submissive to her husband which equates covering her head (with his authority) as she is under the lordship of her husband. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s where I have an issue reconciling your explanation on the head covering with its application across the board for all women in the Corinthian church.</p>
<p>Shalom Aleichem.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidharth Mohandas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sidharth Mohandas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Isaiah,

The Corinthian Church was a Church known for lack of order. Paul&#039;s main concern in this mail was to restore order to the church [the church was divided over many issues- leaders, minor doctrinal issues, authorities, the Lord&#039;s supper, the use of spiritual gifts, resurrection etc.]. 

So our concern is not who is above a single woman. It could be her father or mother, it could be her uncle or aunt or her Rabbi, that&#039;s not the issue. The issue is, whoever is above her, she should be submissive to them. 

Sidharth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Isaiah,</p>
<p>The Corinthian Church was a Church known for lack of order. Paul&#8217;s main concern in this mail was to restore order to the church [the church was divided over many issues- leaders, minor doctrinal issues, authorities, the Lord's supper, the use of spiritual gifts, resurrection etc.]. </p>
<p>So our concern is not who is above a single woman. It could be her father or mother, it could be her uncle or aunt or her Rabbi, that&#8217;s not the issue. The issue is, whoever is above her, she should be submissive to them. </p>
<p>Sidharth</p>
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		<title>By: Sidharth Mohandas</title>
		<link>http://www.imrah.org/2008/06/heads-or-tails/comment-page-1/#comment-771</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidharth Mohandas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Justin,

It&#039;s insignificant to know if Jesus had long hair or not, but I&#039;m under the impression He didn&#039;t. He was not a Nazarite since He did not go by the Nazarite vow of not drinking wine, vinegar or touching a corpse. 

Sidharth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Justin,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s insignificant to know if Jesus had long hair or not, but I&#8217;m under the impression He didn&#8217;t. He was not a Nazarite since He did not go by the Nazarite vow of not drinking wine, vinegar or touching a corpse. </p>
<p>Sidharth</p>
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